KIEREIN'S PUSH GRAVITY
Radio Waves Cause Gravity
CONTENTS — FIND IN PAGE
WHY ONLY RADIO WAVES CAUSE GRAVITY
GENTLE RADIO WAVES V. VIOLENT X- & G-RAYS
HOW EM WAVES ARE ELECTRICAL & MAGNETIC
KEIREIN & MATHIS SIMILAR VIEWS
See also MY ILKI POST.
KIEREIN’S GRAVITY THEORY
John Kierein's gravity theory proposes gravity as a "push" force caused by interactions with a cosmic background radiation field in a static universe. His work is accessible online via this Angelfire page4, which outlines the theory’s core principles.
Key Components of Kierein’s Theory
Gravity as a Radiation-Mediated Push
Kierein revives the Le Sage "pushing gravity" concept but replaces ultramundane particles with long-wavelength background radiation. Massive bodies absorb this radiation, creating "shadows" that result in a net directional force pushing objects together4.Compton Effect Redshift in a Static Universe
The theory rejects cosmic expansion, attributing redshift to the Compton effect (photon energy loss during scattering). This aligns with a static, infinite universe where radiation forms a preferred reference frame4.Gravitons as Quantized Shadows
Kierein quantizes the gravitational force by defining gravitons as absences of photons in the radiation field—analogous to electron "holes" in semiconductors. These gravitons travel at light speed (c) and mediate the push4.Mechanistic Advantages
Critiques and Context
Feynman’s Objection: Kierein addresses resistance concerns for orbiting bodies (e.g., Earth) by noting that high graviton speeds minimize drag effects at typical orbital velocities (~300 km/s)1,5.
Ties to Alternative Cosmologies: The theory intersects with equilibrium cosmology and critiques general relativity’s curved spacetime3,4.
WHY ONLY RADIO WAVES CAUSE GRAVITY
John Kierein’s theory emphasizes that very long wavelength radiation (such as radio waves or even longer) is the primary driver of gravitational “push” because of how these wavelengths interact with matter6.
Why Only Long Wavelength Radiation Causes Gravity
Penetration and Bulk Interaction: Long wavelength photons (radio waves and beyond) can penetrate deeply into matter, interacting with many molecules simultaneously. This allows them to exert a bulk pressure on massive bodies, which is necessary for the “push” mechanism to work as a gravitational force6.
Shadowing Effect: When two massive bodies are near each other, each casts a “shadow” in the background radiation field, reducing the pressure from that direction and resulting in a net force pushing the bodies together. This effect works best when the radiation is highly penetrating, as with long wavelengths6.
Attenuation and Energy Transfer: As long wavelength radiation passes through matter, it is only slightly attenuated via the Compton effect, transferring small amounts of energy and creating the observed gravitational effect without significant heating or ionization6.
Why Shorter Wavelengths Don’t Cause Gravity (in this Theory)
Limited Penetration: Shorter wavelength radiation (like gamma rays, x-rays, ultraviolet, visible, and infrared) interacts with matter at or near the surface, causing ionization or heating rather than penetrating and exerting pressure throughout the bulk of the material6.
No Bulk Pressure: Because these shorter wavelengths are absorbed or scattered at the atomic or molecular level, they cannot create the widespread, directional pressure necessary for the push-gravity mechanism to function as described by Kierein6.
Could Other Wavelengths Affect Gravity?
Theoretically Possible: If shorter wavelengths could penetrate matter as deeply as long wavelengths, they might also contribute to a push-type gravity. However, their strong interactions at the surface prevent them from doing so in practice, according to Kierein’s model6.
Historical Note: Earlier proponents (like Brush) considered shorter wavelengths, but shifted focus to longer wavelengths after recognizing the superior penetration of radio waves and beyond6.
SIMPLER EXPLANATION
Background Radiation:
The universe is filled with long-wavelength background photons coming from all directions.Shadowing Effect:
When two masses (A and B) are near each other, each blocks or absorbs some of the background radiation coming from the direction of the other. This creates a "shadowed" region between them where the radiation pressure is lower.Net Force (Push):
The higher radiation pressure from the outside (unshadowed) directions pushes the masses toward each other, resulting in an attractive force that we perceive as gravity.Key Points:
The effect is due to the pushing action of background photons, not a pulling force.
Only long-wavelength photons are effective because they can penetrate and interact with the bulk of the mass, not just the surface.
GENTLE RADIO WAVES V. VIOLENT X- & G-RAYS
In John Kierein’s gravity model, long-wavelength radiation (such as VLF/ELF radio waves) is proposed to cause gravity because it can penetrate deeply into matter and interact with the bulk of an object, creating a shadowing effect that leads to a net "push" from the surrounding radiation field.
X-rays and gamma rays also penetrate matter deeply, but they interact with matter in fundamentally different ways compared to long-wavelength radiation:
Absorption and Ionization:
X-rays and gamma rays, despite their penetrating power, are highly energetic and interact with individual atoms primarily through the photoelectric effect, Compton scattering, and pair production9. These interactions tend to eject electrons, ionize atoms, and even disrupt nuclei, depositing energy in a way that leads to ionization and heating, not a gentle, bulk pressure.Bulk vs. Surface Interaction:
Kierein’s model requires radiation that can exert pressure on the bulk of matter without causing significant ionization or energy deposition. Long-wavelength photons (hundreds of meters or more) interact weakly with matter, allowing them to pass through and exert a subtle, distributed pressure suitable for the "push" gravity mechanism. In contrast, X-rays and gamma rays, while penetrating, interact too strongly and locally with electrons and nuclei, preventing the kind of uniform, bulk pressure needed for the model.Energy Deposition:
The energy from X-rays and gamma rays is deposited in discrete, localized events (ionizations, electron ejections), not as a uniform pressure across the mass. This is fundamentally different from the pressure effect required in the shadowing mechanism of the push gravity model9.
HOW EM WAVES PENETRATE MATTER
The EM spectrum consists of Radio waves, Microwaves, Infrared radiation, Visible light, Ultraviolet radiation, X-rays and Gamma rays. Electromagnetic (EM) waves penetrate matter by interacting with the charged particles—primarily electrons—within the material. When an EM wave strikes a material, several processes can occur depending on the wave’s frequency (wavelength), the material’s properties, and the thickness and density of the material:
Absorption: The energy of the EM wave can be absorbed by electrons, causing them to move to higher energy states or even be ejected from atoms (photoelectric effect). This is common at higher energies and shorter wavelengths, such as with X-rays and gamma rays6,5.
Scattering: The wave can transfer some of its energy to particles in the material, causing the photons to change direction and lose energy6.
Transmission: If the material is transparent to the specific wavelength, the wave can pass through with minimal interaction.
Reflection: Some of the wave may bounce off the surface without entering the material1.
The penetration depth is defined as the distance into the material at which the intensity of the EM wave falls to about 37% (1/e) of its value just beneath the surface1. This depth depends on both the wavelength of the radiation and the properties of the material.
Longer wavelengths (like radio waves) often penetrate deeper into many materials because their lower energy interacts less strongly with electrons, causing less absorption3,4.
Shorter wavelengths (like X-rays and gamma rays) can also penetrate deeply, especially in low-density materials, but are more likely to be absorbed or scattered in high-density or high atomic number materials5,6.
The overall ability of an EM wave to penetrate matter is determined by how likely it is to interact with the material’s electrons and nuclei, which is a function of both the wave’s energy (frequency/wavelength) and the material’s atomic structure and density6,5,1.
HOW EM WAVES ARE ELECTRICAL & MAGNETIC
It was determined that electromagnetic (EM) radiation is both electrical and magnetic through a combination of theoretical predictions and experimental discoveries in the 19th century.
Key Steps in the Discovery
1. Linking Electricity and Magnetism
In 1820, Hans Christian Ørsted discovered that electric currents produce magnetic fields, showing a fundamental connection between electricity and magnetism4.
2. Faraday’s Experiments
In 1845, Michael Faraday found that the polarization of light could be affected by a magnetic field (the Faraday effect), suggesting that light and electromagnetism were related4.
3. Maxwell’s Equations
In the 1860s, James Clerk Maxwell unified the known laws of electricity and magnetism into four equations. He showed mathematically that oscillating electric and magnetic fields could propagate together as waves through space6,8,9.
Maxwell calculated the speed of these waves and found it matched the speed of light, leading him to propose that light itself is an electromagnetic wave—a disturbance of both electric and magnetic fields traveling together6,8,9.
“Maxwell's new law and Faraday's law couple together as a wave equation, implying that any disturbance in the electric and magnetic fields will travel out together in space at the speed of light as an ‘electro-magnetic' wave.”9
4. Experimental Proof
In 1887, Heinrich Hertz generated and detected radio waves in the laboratory, confirming Maxwell’s prediction. Hertz showed these waves had the same properties as light, such as reflection, refraction, and traveling at the speed of light2,5,7,9.
MILES MATHIS ON PHOTONS
Miles Mathis sees a fundamental distinction between the standard view of electromagnetic (EM) waves and photons. According to Mathis:
Photons are not just point particles:
He argues that photons are not dimensionless points but have actual size, mass, and spin. The photon’s spin and its radius are responsible for the observed wavelength of light1,5.EM waves are not field waves in the classical sense:
Mathis rejects the mainstream idea that EM waves are oscillations of electric and magnetic fields propagating through space (as per Maxwell). Instead, he claims the "wave" is not a field phenomenon but arises from the motion of the photon itself. In his model, each photon moves in a helical or spinning path, and the wave characteristics (such as wavelength and frequency) are direct results of the photon's physical spin and linear motion1,5.No ether or medium is needed:
Mathis emphasizes that, unlike sound or water waves, which require a medium, the "wave" of light is intrinsic to the photon. The waveform is not a collective effect of many particles in a medium but is the trajectory of a single photon moving through space5.Quantization by spin stacking:
He proposes that photons come in discrete "spin levels" or "stacked spins," which explains the quantized nature of the EM spectrum. This means photons do not form a continuous spectrum but have specific, step-like energy and wavelength levels. The visible spectrum, for example, consists of bands, not a smooth continuum, because photons themselves exist only at certain spin states1.EM field is a photon field:
For Mathis, the electromagnetic field is simply a field of moving photons. The density and behavior of this photon field give rise to electromagnetic phenomena5.
KEIREIN & MATHIS SIMILAR VIEWS
Here is a structured comparison of John Kierein’s and Miles Mathis’s ideas about photon mass and the role of photons in gravity:
Photon Mass
Aspect; John Kierein; Miles Mathis; Photon Mass
JK: Adheres to the mainstream view: photons are massless in the conventional sense, though they carry energy and momentum4. {I had the impression that Kierein said photons have mass.}
MM: Argues that photons have a real, nonzero mass and physical radius. He provides explicit mass estimates for photons (e.g., 2.75−372.75×10−37 kg for a "charge photon") and ties photon mass to its energy, spin, and the density of the surrounding charge field7,10.
Photons Causing Gravity
JK: Proposes that gravity is a "push" effect caused by highly penetrating, long-wavelength background photons (radio waves and beyond) in a static universe. These photons interact with matter via the Compton effect, causing a slight energy transfer (redshift) and producing a net pressure that pushes masses together when they shadow each other4.
MM: Does not claim that photons themselves directly cause gravity as a push. Instead, he sees gravity and the electromagnetic (E/M) field as unified but distinct phenomena. The gravitational field is determined by the radius (volume) of matter, while the E/M field is determined by the density of emitted photons. The universal gravitational constant G acts as a scaling constant between the photon and atomic scales, linking the two fields in Newton’s equation7,9.
Photon Role in Gravity
JK: Photons (specifically, long-wavelength) are the agents of gravity, creating a shadowing effect analogous to Le Sage’s theory4.
MM: Photons are fundamental to the E/M field, and their properties (size, density) are mathematically connected to gravity via G, but gravity is not produced by photon pressure or shadowing. Instead, both gravity and E/M are seen as aspects of a unified field, with photons acting as the mediators of the E/M component9,10.
Graviton
JK: Suggests the graviton is a quantized "shadow" (absence) in the photon background—similar to a hole in a semiconductor4.
MM: Does not use the graviton concept; gravity is a property of matter’s volume and the scaling between photon and atomic sizes9.
PARTICLES MADE OF PHOTONS
Miles Mathis claims that all particles are ultimately made from photons by a process he calls “stacked spins.” In his model, a photon is not just a point of energy but a real, spinning particle with mass and size. When a photon acquires additional spins—each at a larger radius and a new axis—it gains more energy and complexity. By stacking enough of these spins in specific ways, the photon transforms into other particles, such as electrons, protons, and neutrons.
This process is discrete, so only certain spin configurations (and thus certain particles) are possible, which explains why matter is quantized. According to Mathis, all quantum and electromagnetic effects arise from the real, mechanical motion and interactions of these spinning photons, rather than from abstract fields or virtual particles. In short, matter is built from photons by stacking their spins in layers, with each new arrangement creating a different fundamental particle.